Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Spotify Subscribe: episode updates justice is inadequate. in the wake of the killing of george floyd by a police officer in minneapolis, peaceful and violent protests alike have risen across the nation. there is no correct, immediate, concrete answer to police brutality and systemic racism in america—but where do we begin in righting our wrongs? today, tom and rp are in conversation with neil phillips, founder of the Visible Men Movement and Visible Men Academy, a charter school in bradenton, florida. neil poses the idea that justice is inadequate for the lives of black americans lost, and what is needed is justness, in that racism and discrinimation does not have a place in society to begin with. neil is a nationally recognized voice on the topic of race, diversity, and inclusion in America. He has delivered award-winning presentations, including Race to Truth and A Conversation with Norman Lear, as well as consulting programs that confront diversity-related challenges with fresh perspectives and advocate seizing the opportunities that the rapidly changing national demographic present. tom scott is chairman & co-founder of the nantucket project. rp eddy was the architect of the Clinton administration’s pandemic response framework and the United Nations response to the global AIDS epidemic & is CEO of global intelligence firm Ergo.   rp is co-author of the best-selling award-winning book Warnings: Finding Cassandras to Stop Catastrophes with Richard A. Clarke, Former National Security Council counterterrorism adviser. listen to this episode on apple podcasts subscribe to our youtube channel follow us on facebook follow us on instagram transcript   Tom Scott [00:00:00] So good morning, everybody. My name is Tom Scott, chairman, co-founder of the Nantucket Project. With me, as always, is our RP Eddy. Thank you for being here today. We have a special guest, Neil Phillips. Many of you know, Neil, if you don't, Neil, Neil runs the Invisible Man Academy down in Florida, it's a charter school for boys character focused, primarily focused on boys of color. Neil also runs the Visible Men Movement, Visible Men Movement. It's about identifying visible men of color around the country as leaders and telling the stories that are seldom told but plentiful, plentiful. One of whom, by the way, I want to acknowledge, Neal, your father. Passed away about a month ago, just a beautiful man immigrated to United States. Fifty one years ago. Right. And I've been able to see Neil during this time. And I know it's been a difficult time. But talk about a visible man. Right. So I was at my house last night. I met Neil 40 years ago. Neil, I'm going to say that 50 percent of our conversations over 40 years. Has been about race.    Neil Phillips [00:01:15] I think that's accurate.    Tom Scott [00:01:16] And there's been a lot of them. If you don't know, Neil and I are very close, my closest friend. I was the best man in his wedding. I have a brother. My brother was mine. But you would have gotten it if I didn't have a brother.    Neil Phillips [00:01:32] I didn't know that for years, so thank you for clearing that up.    [00:01:34] But it's just a case that Neil and I travel all over together and spent a lot of time together over the years, done work together. Call each other when we have our problems and pat each other on the back when we do. OK, but 50 percent of our conversation has been about race over the years. And, you know, it's incredible to think. And so the reason I mentioned I was at my parents house last night, my parents last night, I guided them out of their house for the last time and took them to their new house. Richard Nixon was present United States when we moved in. Neil, I know you spent a lot of time there, but it was weird. It was really emotional. And it when we talked about this, we talked about where we are in the world right now.