Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Spotify Subscribe: episode updates what do you see in this photo? on may 29th, 2020, donald trump tweeted the message “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” in response to protests that erupted in the wake of george floyd’s death in minneapolis. today, tom and rp discuss leadership, divisiveness, and trump’s support leading up to the november elections. rp says “every great leader wants a crisis,” but how has trump handled his? will his actions and reactions have an effect on his unchanging core voter base? and why is this voter base unchanged in the first place? tom and rp reference New York Times columnist david brooks’s may 29th op-ed, If We Had a Real Leader.  tom scott is chairman & co-founder of the nantucket project. rp eddy was the architect of the Clinton administration’s pandemic response framework and the United Nations response to the global AIDS epidemic & is CEO of global intelligence firm Ergo.   rp is co-author of the best-selling award-winning book Warnings: Finding Cassandras to Stop Catastrophes with Richard A. Clarke, Former National Security Council counterterrorism adviser. listen to this episode on apple podcasts subscribe to our youtube channel follow us on facebook follow us on instagram transcript   Tom Scott [00:00:22] Hi, everybody, RP, it's Friday. I think I want to speak philosophically today a little bit, but and we'll work our way into it. I want to start with something here. So tomorrow. Tomorrow. Is MS day. RP, you know and love Kristen right now, of course, Kristen, come say hi. Just for one second. Hi, Kristin. Hi. OK. But but but thank you for coming on. Kristin is our loving and wonderfully talented partner in this show and has M.S.. And so we're gonna celebrate MS day with her. We've been working on a film. What I love about the film is that it's not a bad thing. Kristen. Right. That the solution or a powerful part of a solution to M.S. is togetherness and conversation. Right.    Kristin Adams [00:01:38] Totally, yeah. It's your community wherever you find it.    Tom Scott [00:01:42] Yeah. And so and I and I know I stress this one. When Vivek Murthy was on and, you know, in other places. This isn't like a feel goody thing. This is a medical thing. OK. And everyone think about that, what I'm saying is that if you have meaningful conversations and connections to people with certain ailments. They get that they get better medically better not just better mood, medically better. And they some people don't get sick in the first place because they're in communities that have that kind of power. Now, these these are, by the way, some of this is relates to M.S., some of it's a variety of other ailments. So it's just sort of a universal thing, generally speaking. So anyway, Kristin, I wanted it in in honor of you celebrate this and watch this film that the trailer to the film that we're making just as a moment of observation. You good with that?    Kristin Adams [00:02:42] Thanks Tom.    RP Eddy [00:02:43] Thank you for everything you do. Kristen, it's a real pleasure to work with you.    Video [00:02:47] There's not a person out there watching this right now, doesn't know so more, less. The fact that we don't have that kind of rallying cry bugs me. MS can be totally terrifying. But certainly what makes M.S. so warped is that you don't know what's going to happen to you. Boy, if I could make a bargain, I can live like this. We just can't imagine what our lives are going to be like in the future. I'm scared cause of my daughter because I want to be there for her. It's a monstrous realization. Wow. There are forces greater than you within your own body. It's heavy. If I had known, I would have done a lot of other things with my life. I was engaged. That relationship dissolved soon after I got out of the hospital. I was alone. Literally, the doctor who gave you the diagnosis basically just said to me, almost like,