Rucker Moses is the pen name of the writing team Craig S. Phillips and Harold Hayes Jr.

Together with Theo Gangi they wrote Kingston and The Magician’s Lost and Found. Today I talk with Harold Hayes Jr. about the book, his collaborations with Craig, as well as their company and expansion into virtual reality storytelling.

Drinks with Tony is on iTunes, Spotify, Pandora, Stitcher, and other podcast outlets. It also airs every Thursday evening at 6pm on 101.9 FM, KPCR, Santa Cruz.