Talked with Rudy Johnson - co - founder of Misery Tourism for three and a half hours.

I wanted to know who Rudy was - as I've attended misery tourism readings off and on for over a year or so and Rudy and Will are very, very cool and kind people.

They've always been super sweet to me. And Rudy's been patient and kind to me over the ups and downs of putting this episode out.

The only reason I'm putting this out is because this interview could not be replicated in any way. There's cool moments of discovery in here.