It's the Rugby World Cup final this weekend, and the Springboks and All Blacks playing at the Stade de France. The last time these two rugby powerhouses met in the final was 1995, when Francois Pienaar captained the South Africans to victory.

That win in Johannesberg in 1995 was significant for reasons beyond rugby; then President Nelson Mandela used the moment as a chance to promote reconciliation in a newly democratic South Africa.

Pienaar was in Belfsat recently, and sat down with UTV's Dan Duffy to talk Mandela, leadership and his hopes for the tournament.