In this episode, we continue the conversation we started with Andy and explore the importance of transitions and transformations; work vs. play and open vs. closed mode; the brilliance found in side projects; the need for space to actually be creative; and why calling yourself a "commercial artist" is more of a badge of honor and not some misguided notion of selling out.

Andy also talks about why he's not romantic about the podcast format, and the reasons for that point of view, in spite of hosting his own wildly successful podcast.