Ruth Simmons, a longtime college administrator who was the first African American to lead an Ivy League school and the current president of Prairie View A&M University, talks about why universities must be transparent, seeing herself in her students (especially the rebellious ones), and what it was like to recruit Toni Morrison to work at Princeton.

Hosted by John Shaw. Produced and edited by Alee Quick. This podcast is produced in collaboration with WSIU Public Radio. For more, visit paulsimoninstitute.siu.edu/podcasts