

Stephen White, of the Bitesize B2B Marketing Podcast invited Chris on to chat about some of Refine Labs’ recent research experiments, and how Chris approaches growth with an experimental mindset. 
They cover why an experimental mindset is so important, and how teams can efficiently run experiments. Chris covers the self reported attribution experiment in detail, how that has paved the way for other programs at Refine Labs, and more!
If you have questions for Chris, join the Revenue Vitals Live conversation on zoom by registering here, or submit them ahead of the call here! Also make sure to check out The Vault, where you can find full depth insights and IP beyond the high level live event. 

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RV E50 - The Power of an Experimental Mindset in Marketing | Bitesize B2B Marketing with Stephen White

Welcome to the new B2B Revenue Vitals podcast, formerly State of Demand Gen. On this podcast, you’ll learn how to build a high-growth company from Refine Labs' CEO, Chris Walker. From proving new revenue programs to identifying and scaling programs that work, to training your team to operate at scale, you will understand what it takes to create a predictable pipeline of revenue innovation that drives compounding gains. Through interviews, AMAs, and invite-only events, we give you a sneak peek into the data-backed insights we are executing for the fastest-growing SaaS companies in the world.

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From the FounderVideo Podcast:
“Chris Walker discusses the average CAC payback period at private SaaS companies, which is between 48 and 60 months. He explains that public SaaS companies have seen their sales and marketing expenditure almost double over the past two and a half years. Private SaaS companies, on the other hand, have seen their CAC payback period increase due to slowing growth rates. Walker emphasizes the need for smart cost-cutting and efficient marketing investments. He also highlights the disconnect between finance and go-to-market teams and the importance of signal-based analytics in measuring ROI. The conversation covers various topics related to B2B marketing and demand generation. 
The main themes include the importance of creating a live show/podcast for target customers, the significance of understanding the customer and having a targeted account list, the need for a shift in B2B advertising strategy, the value of product-oriented webinars and analyst relations, the importance of self-reported attribution in tracking the impact of dark social content, the growth journey of Refine Labs, the hiring strategy and talent evaluation process, the future of signal analytics and AI in marketing, and the direction of Pesetto as a consultancy focused on improving enterprise value and growth rate for companies.”


If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.
Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.
The next Expert Session, featuring Kyle Coleman will take place on June 6 at 12pm central. Register Here. 
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RV184 - GTM Efficiency, Signal-Based Analytics & Demand Creation | FounderVideo Podcast



In this week’s event, Chris discusses the intricate world of B2B marketing, sharing his latest insights on content creation, the contrasting objectives of revenue leadership & CFOs, and the transformative strategies for pipeline efficiency. With potent advice and real-world experiences, Chris unpicks the often-misunderstood dynamics between key business departments.
The episode begins with a stark reminder of the difference between perceived and actual content performance on social networks. Chris candidly reflects on his own experiences with posts, challenging the common equating of ‘likes’ with success, especially within B2B content strategy. The conversation then transitions to dissect the misalignment between C-suite revenue leaders and CFOs, highlighting the critical need for mutual understanding to drive business success.


If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. ⁠Register here⁠.
Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? ⁠Submit it here⁠.
The next Expert Session, featuring Kyle Coleman will take place on June 6 at 12pm central. ⁠Register Here⁠. 
Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at ⁠www.hatch.fm




RV 183 - The Disconnect Between Revenue Leadership and Finance in B2B | Go To Market Live Episode 18

Chris was joined by Peep Laja for an in-depth conversation on messaging. Dedicated to unraveling the significance of target customer insights, the discussion digs into the tangible impact that effective messaging and validation can have on demand generation strategies and sales velocity. This session is a deep dive into the processes and methodologies used in message testing and the resulting ability to sharpen go-to-market approaches.
The dialogue initially sets the stage with a high-level overview of the necessity of message testing, followed by a practical guide on conducting this qualitative research. Peep provides a compelling rationale on why messaging should be clear, relevant, compelling, and differentiated. The conversation moves on to discuss symptoms unique to companies that lack such feedback from their target demographics and how it can stealthily affect their business capabilities. Chris and Peep both stress that real-time customer insights are crucial and should be an ongoing activity to dynamically inform business strategies


If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.
Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.
The next Expert Session, featuring Kyle Coleman will take place on June 6 at 12pm central. Register Here. 
Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm


RV182 - Expert Session: Demand Creation that works requires Messaging Validation

In this week’s event, Chris discusses issues in the B2B tech sector, focusing on go-to-market bloat. He explains that both public and private SaaS companies are seeing slower growth and rising customer acquisition costs (CAC).
Chris highlights the need for B2B companies to reevaluate their sales and marketing spending due to a shift towards prioritizing profitable growth. He mentions that there are many trackable indicators of buyer interest that are not currently being monitored, which could improve the efficiency of go-to-market spending.


If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.
Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.
The next Expert Session, featuring Kyle Coleman will take place on June 6 at 12pm central. Register Here. 
Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm

RV181 - Tackling Go-To-Market Bloat | Go To Market Live Episode 17

Chris joined Drew Smith on the Attribution Nation podcast to unravel the complexities of marketing attribution and strategy. The conversation sheds light on the benefits and pitfalls of attribution models within B2B marketing, and Chris articulates his evolving viewpoint on the subject, offering illuminating insights that challenge conventional thinking.
Chris shares his journey from the medical device industry to founding Refine Labs and now leading Passetto, highlighting the inefficacies he observed in traditional marketing roles and the transformative digital demand strategies he implemented. With an adept understanding of customer behavior and market dynamics, he makes a compelling case for a more nuanced, customer-centric approach to marketing metrics.


If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.
Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.
The next Expert Session, featuring Kyle Coleman will take place on June 6 at 12pm central. Register Here. 
Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm

RV E50 - The Power of an Experimental Mindset in Marketing | Bitesize B2B Marketing with Stephen White

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