What if animals aren't just surviving in nature… but building civilizations of their own?

In this episode, I'm joined by journalist and author Ryan Huling to discuss his fascinating book The Hidden Nation of Animals.

Part travelogue, part ecological detective story, the book explores how animals create infrastructure, maintain highways, negotiate territory, construct cities, and adapt to the human-altered world with astonishing sophistication.

This conversation challenges how we think about intelligence, ecosystems, and humanity's relationship with the natural world.