Fighter Pilots on Merit, Mentorship, and the DEI Debate

In this episode, Ryan “Motor” Riley and Caroline “Blaze” Jensen—former Thunderbirds, combat pilots, and longtime wingmen—get real about diversity, equity, and inclusion in military aviation in their experiences flying together and the careers that followed. Drawing from deployments, flight training, and years in elite squadrons, they explore what truly matters in building a lethal, unified force: trust, mentorship, and performance under pressure. From challenging assumptions to advocating for a wide talent pipeline without lowering standards, Merryl, Motor, and Blaze offer an unfiltered take on what diversity should look like in high-stakes environments—and why it can't come at the cost of competence.

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