The guest for this episode is Ryan Smith, the singer and guitarist of Hull/Leeds based shoegaze outfit BDRMM (pronounced Bedroom). After several years of playing just about everywhere in the UK, they released their debut album Bedroom earlier this year. The album has been a bit of a surprise package, getting high words of praise from major publications and being included at number 8 on Rough Trade's Albums of the year list.

In this conversation we talk about success in spite of the pandemic, helpful attitudes for withstanding obstacles such as the sound being crap and the best band he's ever played with.

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