James (the writer) and Steph (the artist) each chat about one of their major influences.

Steph nerds out over Maggie Hambling's intimate portraits and fluid mark-making style. James goes into Chuck Palahniuk's 'dangerous writing' style, and the ways he gathers and works on the messed up stories he tells. 

Season 1 of Creative Catch-up was produced as part of a Sunderland Culture Creative Development Fellowship. Music by Sam Whitman.