For the fifth episode of Two Guys One Paper, we distracted Matthew (Matt) Howells as he approached his PhD thesis submission. Matt has published several papers already, including one as first author during his previous role. However, in this episode we discussed his most recent paper, the first of his PhD dissertation. This can be found in the Housing Studies journal and is titled The neoliberalization of housing policy and social housing provision in the Nordics: convergence or continued variegation? Matt is now a postdoc in the Planning for Urban Sustainability research group at Aalborg University, and at the time of release he is preparing for his PhD defence in June.