Welcome to Episode 8! In this ep Ivan interviews José Santiago Pérez about his transition from performance art to basket making and weaving, his experiences in the Bay Area and then Chicago, growing up queer and Catholic and how those experiences shape and lead some of us to places like the Leather Archives & Museum and a meditative practice that sometimes looks a little bit like praying a Rosary… This is our last episode of 2019, see you all back in 2020!