In this episode of Seen and Solved, host Tim Pennington talks with Erik Sarlund, Hubbard-Hall’s pretreatment expert, about why Phos & Clean is showing up in more tanks and earning a reputation for performance.

Phos & Clean isn’t just a single product—it’s a complete line of one-step cleaner coaters built to save time, reduce waste, and keep quality high. Erik shares where it’s being used most effectively, from automotive to marine applications, how it handles challenging mixed metals like steel and aluminum, and why it’s often the perfect fit for facilities with smaller footprints or those replacing multi-stage systems.

You’ll also hear a real-world success story from a marine manufacturer who needed a process tough enough to pass 2,000-hour salt spray tests—even after bending powder-coated aluminum rails.

If you’re looking for a way to simplify pretreatment without compromising results, this conversation is worth your time.