Living legend, father of PC graphics, and half of Sierra On-Line's Ken and Roberta Williams joins Jim and Sean to talk about his book Not All Fairy Tales Have Happy Endings  (The Rise and Fall of Sierra On-Line).  Fresh of his appearance in Netflix's High Score docuseries, Ken regales us with tales from his book...stepping us through the rise and fall (and rise and fall) of Sierra-Online.  We talk figure 8 race tracks, running a newspaper syndicate, and sailing the world.  See www.kensbook.com for more details.

We also stick up for our podcast brother in arms, Jonny Benson of the Beer Man Been podcast.  When a recent guest trashes our man Jonny, we feel compelled to respond in kind.