To unpack the incredible conversation with researcher Ben Rogers about his groundbreaking research on the hero's journey framework, Harris III rejoins Michael McRay. They explore how understanding our lives as unfolding stories, rather than just random events, has implications for reducing anxiety, increasing contentment, and building resilience. Michael and Harris examine about how Ben's research validates what they've long believed: that the stories we tell ourselves fundamentally shape our physiology, our choices, and our capacity for growth. In this episode, they also discuss:

• How redemptive versus contaminated narratives determine our capacity for leadership, meaningful relationships, and overall flourishing
• Why narrative agency is always an option, even when life feels completely out of control
• The connection between cynicism and fear
• How simple language shifts like adding "yet" to our self-talk can transform contaminated narratives into redemptive ones

Coming Up Soon

• STORY 2025 - Oct. 9th and 10th in Nashville, TN at the Schermerhorn

Resources Mentioned

• Dr. Ben Rogers: Hero's Journey Assessment
• Becoming Restoried
• Join The Circle
• Applied Narrative Intelligence Certification