Francesco Ciulla joins the show to talk about his origin story, how he went from being a sports coach to becoming a developer. From learning programming on difficult mode to championing Daily.Dev as a developer advocate, he's been a whirlwind journey.

We discuss his joy for creating content in order to teach other developers. We talk about how and why developers should get out of their comfort zone and work on public speaking, and why we don't have to match the stereotype of a programmer in a dark room wearing a hoodie.

• The tweet about hoodies and dark rooms