Welcome back for yet another episode of Between the Crimes.

This week, Celia's story was a tough one to research. The story of Ursula Herrmann comes from Germany back in 1981. This is an unsolved mystery that might frustrate you as much as us. We are extremely grateful for an article written by Xan Rice. We would not have been able to complete this episode without it.

Jenna also has an unsolved mystery for you; she tells the story of Phoebe Handsjuk, a young woman who "fell" down a garbage chute in an apartment building. Did she fall, or was she put in? Shout out to CrimeJunkie for producing an amazing podcast episode about this case!

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Sources hyperlinked above, but can also be found here:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/sep/24/ursula-herrmann-germany-kidnapping-mystery 

https://crimejunkiepodcast.com/mysterious-death-of-phoebe-handsjuk/ 

https://truecrimesociety.com/2019/06/26/two-dead-women-both-had-one-man-in-common-bad-luck-or-something-more-the-deaths-of-phoebe-handsjuk-and-baillee-schneider/