In this episode, we talk about new or unorthodox ways of measuring innovation with Petra Moser. Are patents a necessary condition for innovation? Which one is better: a patent system or secrecy? How does immigration affect innovations? How does motherhood affect productivity? And her experience and suggestions as an economist and economic historian. Let us know what you think!

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