John is a jack-of-all-trades and Rory and Andrew get to know all about him, including his desert island coffee (03:35). So much of John’s current work is focused on grief and the human experience. The remainder of the podcast enters into that world — the role grief plays in life, preaching, the church, and everyone’s mutual experience of it. (18:12). The episode concludes with an honest conversation around John’s departure from full-time, vocational pastoring, and the nuances of living out one’s calling (44:17).

Host: Rory Green

Co-Host: Andrew Arndt

Guests: John Onwuchekwa

Producer: Briggs Boyd