Meet Arif Wider, Professor of Software Engineering at HTW Berlin & Fellow Consultant with Thoughtworks, and Max Schultze, Data Engineering Manager at Zalando. Arif and Max have a shared passion and interest in the topic of good data practices and got to write a book about their experience bringing data mesh to Zalando. To get the conversation started, our host Maarten meets Arif and Max, on a sunny day in Berlin.

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