Heartistry Talk Show is closing out 2020 with the fabulous Saba Gul! @sabagul is an MIT-educated engineer turned entrepreneur, raised in Lahore, Pakistan. She currently leads strategy for technology products, with a focus on ethics. Previously the founder of Popinjay @popinjay_co an artisan label with a supply chain spanning Pakistan, Vietnam and China, Saba is an advisor to several startups and investment funds, and speaks frequently on entrepreneurship and gender at forums like the United Nations, the World Bank and TEDx events. Saba has lived and worked across the world – from France to Sri Lanka to Ethiopia, and brings her global experience to her work.

A perfect example of the phrase "when one door closes, another one opens", Saba leads her life with her heart as her guide - always in search of various ways to give back and make this world a better place for all.

Listen to 2 excerpts from our conversation with Saba to hear 1) the important distinction between persistence and stubbornness, and 2) Saba's thoughts on the importance of time for rest and reflection versus just jumping into the next "thing".