You don't just wake up one day and become a better half. Partners face tough choices and compromises, with feelings of both regret and blessings. In their 38 years together, Jennifer Granholm and our co-host Dan Mulhern have lived an extraordinary life together. On their first date, Jennifer brought a list of questions to learn if a relationship with Dan was worth pursuing. Needless to say, Dan passed. What followed has been a successful political life for Jennifer, taking her from Michigan Attorney General to two-time Governor to U.S. Energy Secretary. All along the way, Dan has been by her side, and has experienced unparalleled joy but also unpredictable questions of who he was and what he brought to the marriage. How do these better halves stay grounded and connected, and what can the rest of us learn from them? In this episode, we did something different; we put Dan in a holding studio so he could listen to our conversation with Jennifer. Then we let him join the conversation and what followed may be the best lesson in how better halves survive and thrive.

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