My guest this week is the 1988 Democratic Nominee for President of the United States of America, the first ever Greek-American US Presidential Nominee, the longest-serving governor in Massachusetts history, a four-term member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives, and a professor of political science and public policy at Northeastern University and UCLA. Recorded in 2018, this episode looks at the concept of storytelling in its many guises – be it about the narrative of a political campaign or how comedy can create the narratives we hold to be true about candidates, issues and so much more. Our marathon conversation covers everything from meeting JFK and interviewing Bobby Kennedy as a student, to how to run and win an ethical campaign, to why he loves teaching, to why he's still an optimist, to how late night comedy has changed over the decades, what it’s like to be impersonated weekly on Saturday Night Live, and his view of Jon Lovitz' impression of him.