In Part 2 of the inaugural FinSTIC podcast, Sonia Sequeira continues her discussion with FinSTIC Chair Ashok Gupta, and FinSTIC founding group member Nico Aspinall about systems thinking. Although a number of pioneering actuaries have been working on problems with systems thinking techniques, it is still early days for the actuarial profession in this field. We discuss why systems approaches have only recently been gaining traction in academic circles outside the faculties that originated them.