In today's episode, Shannon and Teena welcome the award winning ghost writer and editor, Gillian Stern to the show, who shares some incredible insights from her career as well as tips for dealing with the feelings of loss ghost writers can experience when the collaboration is over. 

As always, hosts and guest spill the beans on some of the more unusual aspects of the job, including the time Gillian was stuck in the middle of a lake watching her manuscript being ripped to shreds by an irate author, and the team bonds over how they cope with having to hear harrowing accounts from the lives of their subjects. 

We also meet podcast dog, Zorro for the first time in this series … Something tells me we haven't heard the last of him