Musa al-Gharbi is a sociologist and Assistant Professor of Communication and Journalism at Stony Brook University. He researches how society thinks and talks about race, inequality, national security, and other contentious issues in the public sphere. His new book We Have Never Been Woke, exposes and takes on the contradictions of chattering class elites, who simultaneously decry inequality and perpetuate it. We discuss his book, as well as other issues related to the politics of higher education.