Abraham Riesman, the author of "True Believer: The Rise and Fall of Stan Lee," joins Douglas Wolk to discuss 1964's Fantastic Four Annual #2, the first appearance of Latveria, and the origin of Doctor Doom. Topics include what we know and don't know about Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's working relationship at this point, Lee's unusual interpretation of "diplomatic immunity," the open question of when Doom's mother came into the narrative, and Kirby's uncharacteristically reserved evaluation of what he contributed to Doom's creation.