Dugan Trodglen--musician, comics retailer, journalist, and technically a character within the Marvel Universe--joins Douglas Wolk to discuss Avengers #25! (And the final panel of #24.) Topics include Don Heck's fortes as an artist, the beginning of Wanda Maximoff's fraught relationship with TV sets, the putative hipness of Hawkeye, Wally Schirra's advertisement for Actifed, and relevant videos of MF DOOM.