Please, enjoy this episode, featuring my friend Greg Williams. He's the managing director at Third Horizon Strategies, leading the Alliance for Addicti0n Payment Reform. He's also one hell of a film producer with The Anonymous People, Genration Found, and, most recently, Tipping the Pain Scale to his credit. This is such a rich episode with an undeniably splendid fellow. Learn more about his advocacy for addiction treatment patients at ThirdHorizonStrategies.com and IncentivizeRecovery.org. Find a Tipping the Pain Scale screening near you at TippingThePainScale.com.

• Recorded 1.19.2022 from Raleigh, NC & Danbury, CT on Zoom