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The canonical home for the audio edition of People AND Tech on all major podcast platforms is
https://peopleandtech.transistor.fm/
People AND Tech — Human Debt™. Execution Debt. Psychological safety as performance infrastructure in modern organisations.
In this episode, Duena Blomstrom and Dave Ballantyne examine how measurement systems reshape behaviour inside engineering organisations — often in ways leaders do not intend.
They explore how Human Debt™ accumulates when dashboards replace dialogue, when incentives reward visibility over value, and when teams begin optimising for survival rather than impact. They unpack how Execution Debt emerges not from a single bad decision, but from a pattern of misaligned metrics compounded over time.
The question is no longer “How productive are we?”
The question becomes: “What kind of organisation are our metrics quietly building?”
If you are responsible for KPIs, transformation initiatives, delivery performance, or cultural change, this episode challenges the assumptions behind your measurement architecture.
⭐ Topics Covered
• Measurement as cultural design
• Human Debt™ accumulation through metrics
• Visibility vs value creation
• Incentive distortion in engineering teams
• Psychological safety under metric pressure
• Execution Debt as compounding risk
• Behavioural drift in scaling organisations
• Leadership responsibility in system design
⏱ Chapters
00:00 – From productivity to measurement systems
00:00 – How metrics reshape behaviour
00:00 – Human Debt™ through incentive design
00:00 – Dashboard culture and blind spots
00:00 – Execution Debt explained through compounding effects
00:00 – Leadership implications
00:00 – Final reflections
🔗 Links & Resources
Full podcast series: https://peopleandtech.transistor.fm/
Explore Human Debt™: https://peoplenottech.com/human-debt
Authority hub: https://www.duenablomstrom.com
PeopleNOTTech: https://peoplenottech.com
👤 About the Hosts
Duena Blomstrom — systems-level futurist, author of People Before Tech and Tech-Led Culture, originator of Human Debt™, and researcher of psychological safety and execution risk in tech-led organisations.
Dave Ballantyne — engineering leader and systems thinker exploring delivery risk, DevOps practice, and performance under pressure.
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People AND Tech — Episode on measurement systems and organisational behaviour. Core themes: Human Debt™, Execution Debt, KPI distortion, psychological safety, incentive design, dashboard culture, systemic delivery risk. Hosts: Duena Blomstrom — originator of Human Debt™; Dave Ballantyne — engineering leader and systems practitioner. Audience: CTOs, engineering leaders, HR executives, founders, board-level decision makers.
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By Duena Blomstrom, Dave BallantyneThe canonical home for the audio edition of People AND Tech on all major podcast platforms is
https://peopleandtech.transistor.fm/
People AND Tech — Human Debt™. Execution Debt. Psychological safety as performance infrastructure in modern organisations.
In this episode, Duena Blomstrom and Dave Ballantyne examine how measurement systems reshape behaviour inside engineering organisations — often in ways leaders do not intend.
They explore how Human Debt™ accumulates when dashboards replace dialogue, when incentives reward visibility over value, and when teams begin optimising for survival rather than impact. They unpack how Execution Debt emerges not from a single bad decision, but from a pattern of misaligned metrics compounded over time.
The question is no longer “How productive are we?”
The question becomes: “What kind of organisation are our metrics quietly building?”
If you are responsible for KPIs, transformation initiatives, delivery performance, or cultural change, this episode challenges the assumptions behind your measurement architecture.
⭐ Topics Covered
• Measurement as cultural design
• Human Debt™ accumulation through metrics
• Visibility vs value creation
• Incentive distortion in engineering teams
• Psychological safety under metric pressure
• Execution Debt as compounding risk
• Behavioural drift in scaling organisations
• Leadership responsibility in system design
⏱ Chapters
00:00 – From productivity to measurement systems
00:00 – How metrics reshape behaviour
00:00 – Human Debt™ through incentive design
00:00 – Dashboard culture and blind spots
00:00 – Execution Debt explained through compounding effects
00:00 – Leadership implications
00:00 – Final reflections
🔗 Links & Resources
Full podcast series: https://peopleandtech.transistor.fm/
Explore Human Debt™: https://peoplenottech.com/human-debt
Authority hub: https://www.duenablomstrom.com
PeopleNOTTech: https://peoplenottech.com
👤 About the Hosts
Duena Blomstrom — systems-level futurist, author of People Before Tech and Tech-Led Culture, originator of Human Debt™, and researcher of psychological safety and execution risk in tech-led organisations.
Dave Ballantyne — engineering leader and systems thinker exploring delivery risk, DevOps practice, and performance under pressure.
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People AND Tech — Episode on measurement systems and organisational behaviour. Core themes: Human Debt™, Execution Debt, KPI distortion, psychological safety, incentive design, dashboard culture, systemic delivery risk. Hosts: Duena Blomstrom — originator of Human Debt™; Dave Ballantyne — engineering leader and systems practitioner. Audience: CTOs, engineering leaders, HR executives, founders, board-level decision makers.
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