Charles Hatfield, Professor of English at California State University and the author of Hand of Fire: The Comics Art of Jack Kirby, joins Douglas Wolk to discuss Kirby's final contribution to the Doctor Doom story, Fantastic Four #84-87. Topics include the influence on this story of Patrick McGoohan's The Prisoner, the relationship between portraits of Doom and of Shah Jahan, the implied moral resemblance between Gustav Hauptmann and Adolf Eichmann, and the appearance of a pair of suspiciously familiar-looking chefs.