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Anne and Alison interview Dr. Donielle Prince about holidays in the United States like Presidents day and the legacy of historical racial trauma and violence which complicates celebrating said holidays. We talk about the messiness of engaging with social justice and racial equity work and how to stay in the work. Most importantly we talk about why we need to keep doing this work. Listen to this episode for a new way to celebrate Presidents' Day in America.

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