Joe Streckert, the host of the Weird History Podcast, joins Douglas Wolk to discuss Sub-Mariner #47-49. Topics include how much Doctor Doom loves drama, the difference between "Kirk Drift" and "Flanderization," The Journal of M.O.D.O.K. Studies, Gene Colan's fondness for drawing very wide punches, what kind of a boss Doom is, the light in the movie The Lighthouse, and the joys of abs and punching.