In this special episode, Adriaan Karsmakers is the first guest in the fully professional podcast setup. To deflower the new setup, we talk about carnaval and reveal our struggle with hangovers. Of course, career is very important so Adriaan tells about his experiences with FSE and wervingsdagen. As an addition, there is a special guest in the babbling with the board call. Finally, a small tribute is made to Axel and Boris in the form of a drink.