In Episode 4 We talk with VP of Trout Media, the communications arm of Trout Unlimited, Kirk Deeter about Gateways into upland bird Hunting and fly fishing. We also visit with newcomer to the sports Sam Nelson. We hear Kirk and Davin Topel wax poetic about duck hunting and Sam Nelson tells us about how he learned to dove hunt in Texas. We discuss how diversity is key to the protection of our wild places and Davin catches Joshua Crumpton off guard by flipping the interview in on him. This episode is a great listen whether you are new to the outdoors or a seasoned veteran, we are sure you will find something that resonates.