In this episode: Caitlin and Katie talk messaging, image, and what it feels like to be judged (politically and personally), 24-7. Guest Trey Grayson (former director of the Harvard Institute of Politics) offers hope for progress through paying more attention to policy than politics. 

Guests: Trey Grayson

Links: Listen to Trey on AVR

CREDITS:

Hosted by: Caitlin Scholl and Katie Wilson

Sound Design & Editing by: Ian Carlsen

Mixing & Mastering by: Chris Burns

Opening music: “America” by Bill Callahan

Closing music: “This Land is Your Land” by BRZOWSKI

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