In this Ramadan special, we've brought back Tian Bai. To make money. Hormuz talks with Tian about AI's role in art, and later discusses tech and art in general.

But before that happens, you have to listen through the painful Tech in Thirty Seconds segment. Literally tech in thirty seconds. Makes a good YouTube short.

For some reason, Hormuz and Tian started playing some neal.fun games. It was somewhat related to tech, so I kept it in the final cut. If you listen through Apple or Google podcasts, and you want to see their neal.fun creations, I'm just a sad editor. Go complain to Hormuz. Maybe you should check out the full podcast, with video, on YouTube or Spotify. Just a suggestion.