This talk is the middle in a three-part series Dr. Ed Podvoll gave at Naropa University in 1986 on the concept of "countertransference." As a pioneer in joining therapeutic discipline with Buddhist psychology, Ed here brings a new dimension to the discussion of countertransference by introducing us to the ancient contemplative practice of tonglen, a Tibetan term literally meaning "exchanging self for other." The talk closes with a Q&A between Ed and his students.