We discuss an excerpt from the writings of St. John of the Cross: 

And I saw the river over which every soul must pass to reach the kingdom of heaven

and the name of that river was suffering: 

and I saw a boat which carries souls across the river 

and the name of that boat was love.

Full show notes available at: https://www.inthethicketpodcast.com/s/stories/s1e7river-of-suffering-st-john-of-the-cross-out-december-14-3