In Episode 8, The Move Podcast interviews Danielle DeRuiter-Williams, formerly at the San Francisco Planning Department and founder of The Justice Collective. Co-hosts Ceasar and Ayushi laugh about the art of writing angry emails, why biking to work isn't for everyone, and tackling the homogeneity of corporate structures.

S1E8:The Move S1E8: Planners and Personal Complexity (with Danielle DeRuiter-Williams)

We Who Engage is a movement to rebuild our public’s resilience for the difficult conversations necessary for a functioning democracy. In this podcast, we'll talk about how we can help each other create a democracy that not only survives the many challenges it faces but one that harnesses the collective intelligence of the entire public to do so.

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S1E8:The Move S1E8: Planners and Personal Complexity (with Danielle DeRuiter-Williams)

S1E8:The Move S1E8: Planners and Personal Complexity (with Danielle DeRuiter-Williams)