Once someone working for the LDS church and creating temple dresses became a voice for womens rights. Rosie Card, a Utah creator and writer whose path through Mormonism is about as classic as it gets: BYU, a mission, church work, and even running a temple dress company for nearly a decade. What makes her story hit is how clearly she names the tension so many people feel in Salt Lake City and beyond: we want community and tradition, but we also want women’s rights, LGBTQIA dignity, and room for nuance.

We get into the experiences that start the shift, including seeing real poverty on a mission and realizing “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” collapses when people don’t have boots. Rosie talks about trying to change the LDS Church from within, what it costs to be publicly outspoken, and the scary reality of being doxxed by people using ward tools. We also dig into Mormon feminism, how history gets erased, and why so many women feel like they’re reinventing the wheel alone in Relief Society.

On the other side of faith deconstruction, Rosie describes a bigger kind of freedom: the world opening up when you stop living by a preset life plan. We talk about spirituality after Mormonism, accountability without the old frameworks, and why women’s financial independence matters when marriage and motherhood are treated as the only righteous path.

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