Ministry is full of purpose—but also pressure. In this candid conversation, Pastor Troy Gramling sits down with longtime friend and fellow pastor Steven Spurlin to unpack the real-life challenges of leading in ministry. From spiritual fatigue to public expectations, they reflect on the highs, lows, and the unwavering faith that keeps them going. Whether you're in full-time ministry or simply navigating leadership under pressure, this episode offers encouragement, honesty, and a reminder that you're not alone in the journey.