In Season 2, Episode 4, Drew Miller talks with Ben Shive about his album, <a href="https://store.rabbitroom.com/products/the-cymbal-crashing-clouds?_pos=392&_sid=a54df3e7f&_ss=r&variant=5293898691" data-rich-text-format-boundary="true">The Cymbal Crashing Clouds</a>, and together they break down his song "The Fire Pit." They discuss the scandal of parables, the indispensability of collaboration, and the implications of sabbath for the creative process.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

In Season 2, Episode 4, Drew Miller talks with Ben Shive about his album, The Cymbal Crashing Clouds, and together they break down his song "The Fire Pit." They discuss the scandal of parables, the indispensability of collaboration, and the implications of sabbath for the creative process. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In Season 2, Episode 4, Drew Miller talks with Ben Shive about his album, <a href="https://store.rabbitroom.com/products/the-cymbal-crashing-clouds?_pos=392&amp;_sid=a54df3e7f&amp;_ss=r&amp;variant=5293898691" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Cymbal Crashing Clouds</a>, and together they break down his song "The Fire Pit." They discuss the scandal of parables, the indispensability of collaboration, and the implications of sabbath for the creative process.See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener" rel="noopener noreferrer">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

S2 E4: Ben Shive

A great song is most often the result not of instantaneous inspiration, but of a long obedience to the call of the song. This podcast explores artists' and producers' confrontations with the "Second Muse," the muse of effort rather than of inspiration, and takes a good hard look at how they’ve chosen to contend with her.

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S2 E4: Ben Shive

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