Self-isolation continues, but we refuse to give up on the Faking It dream. This week we pulled Kevin Nguyen in to talk about the joys and discomforts of football fandom, the genesis of his novel New Waves, and the downsides of niceness in literary communities. It's a wide-ranging, hilarious conversation between three people starved of in-person social contact who silently realize that all of life is now unsettlingly similar to a podcast.

Episode edited by Mark and Eavvon O'Neal