This episode feels like sitting on a couch with a really smart friend who gets it - the art, the business, the emotions, and the messy middle of being a photographer.

I’m joined by Jill C. Smith, a Catskills-based family photographer and the educator behind The Business Focused Photographer Podcast. Jill’s work is rooted in warmth, nostalgia, and honesty, and her approach to business is refreshingly grounded, practical, and human.

We talk about everything from Dirty Dancing and abandoned Catskills resorts to imposter syndrome, pricing anxiety, and why pricing never exists in a silo. Jill shares her real pricing journey (numbers and all), what aligned pricing actually looks like, and why photographers need to stop blaming “cheap photographers” for business problems that usually live somewhere else.

This is a must-listen if pricing feels emotional, confusing, or personal — because it is. And you’re not alone.

⏱️ What We Cover (Timestamps)

[3:40] Jill’s brand values: warmth, nostalgia, honesty

[4:44] The photo she’s been chasing her entire career

[6:04] Living and photographing in the Catskills

[7:17] Ghost towns, abandoned resorts & Dirty Dancing lore

[9:23] Video store nostalgia & shared creative pasts

[11:29] Kate’s Catskills theatre connection & Full Moon Resort

[13:31] Being both a family photographer and a business coach

[15:04] Why authenticity works across services

[17:44] What actually makes a photographer “hireable”

[19:31] Why Jill started coaching photographers

[20:41] Photography as a lonely job — and the need for community

[22:23] Competition, saturation myths & industry reality

[24:28] Why following too many photographers hurts your business

[27:10] Why photographers struggle most with pricing

[28:54] Imposter syndrome, especially for women

[31:14] Why pricing feels personal (because it is)

[34:41] What aligned pricing really means

[37:26] Why pricing doesn’t exist in a silo

[41:36] Jill’s real pricing journey: $50 → $100 → $185 → $400 → $800

[46:06] Burnout, overhead & the moment things had to change

[48:34] What “all-inclusive” actually means (and why Jill uses it)[52:20] When all-inclusive works — and when it doesn’t

[55:36] Jill’s group coaching program: The Next Step

[58:50] Monthly group coaching roundtables (accessible + flexible)

[59:44] Where to find Jill + her free VIP Sessions guide

[1:02:04] Rapid fire questions[

1:04:30] Photo Confession Booth: the wrong name… for 45 minutes 😅

💬 Quotes to Remember

“Warmth, nostalgia, and honesty — that’s what I want my brand to feel like.”

“Pricing doesn’t exist in a silo.”

“If someone else’s prices are interrupting your business, something else in your business needs work.”

“It’s almost 100% in our heads.”

“You don’t need to apologize for being profitable.”

“Your work is only one piece of why people hire you.”

🧠 Key Takeaways

• Pricing is emotional — especially when photography wasn’t your original career path

• Most photographers weren’t trained in business or sales, which fuels imposter syndrome