“If you model taking a position that promotes empathy, analysis, courage in confronting attacks on other people or things that harm other people, that involves moral authority.”   In this very special episode we talk with Dr. Mary Frances Berry, who had led a life exemplifying moral authority, with her work in education and civil rights through five United States' presidential administrations and beyond.  We have a dialogue about many things that matter, in which Dr. Berry's moral authority brilliantly shines through.   Support the show