It's the second Rest Day of the World Chess Championship but that's not stopping us! Jon is joined by a couple of very special guests to talk about the action so far. Benji Portheault and Dan Gallagher are both chess coaches and luminaries of the chess world. Listen to their thoughts on the WCC narratives, the availability of high-level punditry, sports washing, the "solutions" to draws and much, much more!

If you'd also like to see Jon, Dan and Benji's faces, here you go!