Join host Jeff Ma as he welcomes Pinaki Kathiari, CEO of Local Wisdom and co-host of the podcast Why does it feel so wrong to be human at work?, for a deep dive into Love as a Change Strategy.

In this candid conversation, Jeff and Pinaki explore the discomfort of change, the necessity of putting people first in any transformation, and how concepts like love and care are essential for building trust and a thriving workplace culture. Pinaki shares his personal experience with life-altering change and introduces ideas from Ayurveda's dosha types to illustrate why individuals react so differently to new circumstances. They also discuss practical strategies for managing organizational shifts, including the danger of "too much change all at once" and the power of small experiments to embrace new perspectives.